Comments on: Weinberg on Systems Thinking

By: fadthemisss

fadthemisss — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:29:25 +0000

Thanks for the great tips.

By: anders

anders — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:22:36 +0000

Hi Daniel and thanks for your interesting comment!
As you will find in my posts, I believe that we can find many interesting parallels between music and systems thinking. It is even more obvious when you play (or sing) yourself. Do you play an instrument yourself?
/Anders

By: Daniel Ofek

Daniel Ofek — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:39:40 +0000

Anders, first, you have a wondefull site. i intend to explore it.

while developing a new career as a org. consultant (after >30 years in hi-tech) i found system thinking (organisational oriented) very fascinating. being a music crazy i though of the connection between the two (basically oyu can find ST connected to anything because everything we want it to be a system – is a system!). but my focus is not on the people who are doing music but on the music structure. i am starting to think of musical constrcut as built of systemic archetypes (mentioned in P. Senge’s fifth discipline). i havn’t it still clear in my mind but using my imagination i can identify structures like balancing processes, limits to growth (the beginning of beethoven’s fifth comes to mind), shifting the burden among groups of instruments within a piece and others.
i am buidling my ST expertise and i would like to teach it to managers and just recently it struck my head to use music to demonstrate the underline mechnisms.
what do you think? do you have any usefull resources for such ideas?
thanks, Daniel Ofek

By: vesterberg.se » Musicians and systems thinking

vesterberg.se » Musicians and systems thinking — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:30:41 +0000

[...] Weinberg posted a comment about musicians and systems thinking recently. Here are my thoughts about this [...]

By: anders

anders — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:17:20 +0000

Hi Gerald
Thanks for your comment! That’s a very interesting issue – musicians and systems thinking. I have worked as a software developer for some twenty years, but I can say that playing music, which for me started eight years ago, has influenced my thinking much. Since I have always been interested in the process of learning and thinking, reflecting over music activities was natural and gave me new insights.
I would very much like to discuss this. I will post my thoughts in a few days.
Thanks
Anders

By: Gerald M. Weinberg

Gerald M. Weinberg — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:16:41 +0000

Anders, thanks for the essay–very clear and concise. I find it interesting, over the years, how musicians, of all people, seem to have the best intuitive understand of systems thinking. I have some ideas on the subject, but I’d love to read your thoughts. Do you find it to be so? Do you have a model of why it is so?

(And thanks for your kind remarks about my books.)